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Re: BBing/P.C. in it's finest hour.
the first 5 pics are what you strive for in bodybuilding. after that, it's a joke. i think that arnold's upper body work is extremely limited since his valve replacement surgery, so i will let him slide in that regard. he was still pretty toned until after his valve operations. i need to get reeve's book, i guess. he seemed like a really nice guy. if he kept the bible all that time, then, yes, it did mean something to him and yes, he was an appreciative person. i remember reading in one of the mags about his dad dying when he wasa couple of years old and his mom moving them to california and him having to stay with relatives there and that he said he was always a lean wirery type of guy and that he was always being told by people he should be in the movies, so that is what made him take the leap into acting. i remember the producers and directors telling him for his hercules movies that he was too big and needed to lose some weight so he wouldn't scare anyone back then with his size and he said he couldn't lose the weight they wanted him to do. i also rad about his shoulder injury he got while filming and it hampered his training after that. lyle alzado was on steroids for like 18 years without a break, plus, he took the real form of hgh which was causing krutzfeld(sp?)jacobs syndrome, as it was being excreted from the pituitary glands of cadavers before it started being processed synthetically, so that was some speculation as to why he developed his inoperable cancer, as that was one of the possible side effect of the human hgh back then. at his biggest, he was 290 pounds, and when he died, he was like a 190 pounds.
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Re: BBing/P.C. in it's finest hour.
reeves and other bbers of his era would win a title, and then not come back to defend it. the olympia guys try to hang onto it year after year until they retire for whatever reason or are defeated. i think i like the former practice better. the latter does give it drama, but it would be there anyway. who's going to unseat the champ, or will he retain his title, or who will succeed the retired champ? you don't see miss America coming back the next year to defend her title.
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9/28/2009, 3:46 am
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Re: BBing/P.C. in it's finest hour.
I know with Mr America the rules were you could only win it once. Mr Universe may have started that way, but somewhere along the line it was changed. I think Reg Park and Arnold won it more than once. I could be wrong about that, but I'm positive about Mr America.
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9/29/2009, 2:44 am
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Re: BBing/P.C. in it's finest hour.
reg won the amateur title in '51, then he won the pro in '58, and '68 or '65. i'll have to look that up. i saw it the other day. but he didn't try for back to back titles, as far as i know.
one of the big things i keep noticing about reeves when comparing him to atlas and that is he seems to have a more jagged edge to his body than atlas does. atlas is more rounded with softer edges. i guess that can be explained by the different training methods. steve used weights while atlas used dt. steve looks like he's carved in stone, while atlas looks like he's built of human flesh.
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Re: BBing/P.C. in it's finest hour.
I'm painfully aware of the controversy about Atlas and weights. Your observation about him & Steve Reeves is right on. You can also apply that to Tony Sansone. Sansone has the rounder look as an Atlas student in the brochure "Secrets of Muscular Power and Beauty". But he has that harder look in later photos when he went to weight training. I don't believe Atlas used weights, he simply isn't built like a weight trainer.
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9/29/2009, 8:51 pm
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Re: BBing/P.C. in it's finest hour.
atlas' heyday was before there were any regular real bbing contests or organizations. the first pro contest that i can find record of was in 1949. it was put on by the weiders. it didn't return again til 10 years later. all the other contests were amateur. the aau was the first to hold regular contests beginning in 1938. its boss was bob hoffman, nate merritt's uncle. no way atlas would compete in that one! plus the fact he'd be disqualified for having competed on a professional level years earlier in macfadden's contest, which would have kept him out of all bbing contests until the first pro contests were held in the '50s, except for the one in '49. in '49 he'd be 57. far past his prime. they didn't have masters tournaments back then. by the time contests came along he already had his title, his fame, and his fortune. he didn't need the bbing contests, and neither did he need to adjust his build to keep up with what was going on in the bbing world. although his life overlapped into the steroid age, he wasn't influenced by the bbing culture. it was influenced by him. he had nothing to gain or prove by competing in them. he was too old for them when they came along, and kept out by hoffman and the amateur requirement. his school of physical development is an entirely different one than those coming along after 1938, and for good reason. to the people of his era, building muscles was for getting one into shape for other things - not a sport in itself. to the other era, it is a sport in itself. had he been born 30 years later, or more, his approach might would have been different. he would have been influenced by the bbing is a sport crowd. he might h ave looked like reeves. or grimek. or arnold.
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Re: BBing/P.C. in it's finest hour.
no, atlas was not built as a weightlifter is. his muscles are built like what you get when you are a bodyweight trainer, which is 100% and no fluff or bloat. not saying reeves was fluff and bloat by any means, but, still, there is bloat to a muscle that has been pumped up by weights, as opposed to bodyweight means. now, atlas did other things besides d/t, such as gymnastics, boxing, wrestling, running, swimming, strongman type stuff, etc. his body wasn't built byweights, but not entirely by d/t either.
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Re: BBing/P.C. in it's finest hour.
in looking at the first set of pics, i can't help but notice that the first 3 guys look like their bodies are one body, respectively. what i mean is, take atlas for example, his body looks like it is one body. the other guys look like 2 bodies paperclipped together at the waist. that v-man taper. i prefer the other guys' look.
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Re: BBing/P.C. in it's finest hour.
imo, a man's build isn't perfect if he can't move, nor if he can't swim and run a decent time.
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10/9/2009, 5:41 pm
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Re: BBing/P.C. in it's finest hour.
The Navy SEALs quit weight training years ago because it really doesn't create the type of functional strength they need to do their job. It's all body weight, swimming, and running.
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